Inequality to Gain Equality, Makes Perfect Sense (rewrite)

So one might have noticed that we’ve been kind of picking on feminists and the religious a lot since we started. We were going to actually take a break from that for a bit, mostly because we don’t want that sort of thing to entirely dominate the site. We did have some other topics and things planned but then we came across this one article from a law student at Georgetown named Cynthia Reed. After reading the article we stared in dumbfounded shock at our computer screen for several minutes and then stood up and slammed our head against the wall repeatedly. Once the blood clotted we cried a little bit, had some cookies for comfort and watched about three hours of bondage porn in order to recover from our ordeal.

He watched porn, thank you.

What are you, gay?

I won’t dignify that with a response. What my opposite is trying to say is that we have decided that there are certain things within the article that need to be addressed. Though to be honest I don’t recall a great deal of it.

Yeah,  Candy Ass here blacked out after the first two paragraphs. Which left me with having to read this wretched abortion of thought on my own.

It happens to everyone. It was just performance anxiety.

Whatever. I’ll get you a little blue pill later.

Ahem, regardless let’s see what Miss Reed has to say shall we.

“Twenty years ago, in the Supreme Court opinion of United States v. Virginia, Justice Ginsburg highlighted the importance of recognizing difference between men and women when making laws to combat gender inequality”

Seems fairly all right so far. I can’t remember why I had trouble with this before.

“Instead of pushing for equality by claiming that women should have the same treatment as men, Ginsburg aptly recognizes that in order for women to be treated equally to men, there are circumstances where we must be treated differently.”

Di-di-Did I just read that right? She didn’t really say what I think she did, did she? She couldn’t have……………………..

Did you need a moment?

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Ah fuck, he’s checked out again. Looks like it’s up to me.

Men and women must be treated differently in order to be equal huh? Exactly at which point is it that feminists become completely fucking incapable of understanding the english language? I imagine that they must have some sort of secret initiation ceremony where they gather around a copy of the Scum Manifesto to bitch about men, gaze at their own vaginas, while solemnly swearing upon the hair under their armpits to mangle the fucking english tongue forevermore. Here’s a tip, you say that you want men and women to be equal, well treating them differently is exactly not-that!

Would you believe that was only two GODDAMN sentences in.

“Unfortunately, this approach to gender equality is not what my peers and I are exposed to on a daily basis.”

Well clearly you and your nameless, faceless group of unknown females are uniquely equipped to provide intelligent and objective insight. I can’t wait.
“It turns out that Supreme Court opinions from brilliant female minds like Ginsburg are not frequented on today’s best-seller lists.”
Has she ever written a book?No?Then let’s move on……
“Instead, my female peers and I see-“
Uh-huh.
“As a result, when I talk to my female friends-
Oh good, more anecdotes. Glad to see you’re providing a good basis for reasoned discussion.
“There is no discussion of changing the way companies are run, or the way child-care is handled. My peers have accepted that in order to be as successful as our male counterparts, we will have to do all they do and more. If we cannot, we have to be comfortable forsaking our careers.”
What, you mean that it actually takes a lot of work to have both a career and raise a child? Who could have ever figured that one out. I find it interesting that you think companies should be run in such a way as to be perfectly accommodating to you and your wants. What are you going to do to deserve these special measures?
“As a result of the increasing pressure for our generation of women to break through the glass ceiling,
Assuming that this glass ceiling really exists and isn’t just the product of your feminist delusion, who exactly is putting this pressure on women? Because it’s clearly not men who are doing it. It can’t be society because you people claim that society is set up to oppress women and keep them down. So who is saying that women have to succeed or they’ve somehow failed the sisterhood……….
Oh yeah.
So you know that most women want to be mothers and raise children. However you pressure them into going into a career while also being mothers. Then once in the career you pressure them into achieving the top positions, the ones that will require the most work to get to and maintain. Then when they can’t live up to the Herculean task that you’ve told them they have to perform if they want to not fail their sisters you declare that we need more feminism to solve the problem. That’s a pretty sweet racket you’ve developed there.
Why does it always have to be “break through the glass ceiling”? Why is it women always need to strive for the top positions in your eyes. What about just being good at your job, whatever it is. Why is that never enough apparently? You do realize that very few men are at the top as well.
“For many of my peers, it will not be until they are faced with the difficulties of raising children while managing a demanding career that the obvious differences between the sexes will become overbearing.”
Ooooh!I just had a brainstorm. What if we created this system wherein a woman who wants to have a child finds another person willing to do the work of a full time job and support her and the child, say maybe the babies father, and this would allow the woman to spend all of her time raising the child and ensuring that it grows up being taken care of and provided for. The two can even work together to look after the kid, maybe live in the same house. We can even give it a special name, and give the couple tax breaks and certain perks and rights to make the job easier. They can even have their own special decoder rings, maybe out of gold. I’m not sure what we’d call that, but we should definitely have something like it.
Hey, are you over it now? Or do I have to keep the show going solo?
N-no……I think I can handle this now. Would you mind if I took the reigns for a bit?
It’s all you dawg.
“At that point, many women will decide (understandably so) that family is more important than work, and they will drop out of the race to the top,
But why,Miss Reed, must it be a race to the top? As my opposite has already alluded to, why is it never acceptable to simply be good at ones job. You do realize that most men are not at the top either. There is only so much space at the top, which is why you have to compete for a spot. If you are attempting to do your corporate job and raise a child, this is going to place you at a disadvantage against those who do not have to do that. Nothing society does, short of raising your child for you, is likely to make it any easier on you. Which is, I am guessing, why at no point in this you stop to give any actual examples of the types of changes you think there should be. You merely demand that changes be made. There are only so many hours in a day Miss Reed, you cannot do everything. So there is the uncomfortable truth that you will have to face wherein you will have to make decisions on which aspects of your life to sacrifice. If your idea of having a family and working your way to the top is leaving your child with a nanny all day or at daycare all day and then coming home late and ignoring the child because you are exhausted from a day of work or you still have a large amount of take-home work to do. Perhaps you should then not have a child, because you clearly don’t really care about raising it.
You speak consistently as though not being both a corporate CEO and a fantastic mother is some failing of both the woman in question and of human society.It is not. It is a failing of the egos of you and people like you who wish to have everything in life given to them easily, but have little desire to work or sacrifice for them.
“thereby perpetuating the statistics we see today that, despite female domination in higher education, men continue to rule the world.
How exactly do men “rule the world”? Allow me to explain something called an apex fallacy, Miss Reed. There is a distinct difference between ‘the people in power are men’ and ‘men have the power’. They are not interchangeable. The janitors who mop the floors of your ivy-league urinals do not “rule the world”. Nor do the legion of groundskeepers who tend the lawns. Nor do the garbagemen, the men in the cafeteria who cook your meals, the road crews who maintain the roads you drive on, and several billion other men all of whom do menial, difficult, labour-intensive jobs to earn a living because their parents could not get together enough money to send them to one of the most exlcusive schools in her country to study law. Just for the sole purpose of you to come onto the internet and voice your complaints of how men have it so much better than you.
Perusing your words in this article again, I must say, the degree of self-entitlement you display is both astounding and revolting.
“Society’s failure to recognize the very real differences between men and women when discussing feminism today
So then men and women are different, you admit. Then perhaps this difference is the reason that you see more men at the top. Or why women opt out of careers to have children. Maybe it is not society, or elves, or a need for female empowerment, maybe it is simply that people are making choices and you don’t like the choices that they’re making. Perhaps it is not society that fails to recognize the difference, perhaps it is you. Did you perhaps consider that? That perhaps it is your perspective that is flawed and that your perspective might be wrong or unrealistic?
Dude. She’s a feminist.
…….ah yes, of course, A silly question.
“For many of my friends in college and now law school, the weight of the gender binary will not truly be felt until their first job. In the meantime, on a day-to-day basis, my peers and I read about women who can “do it all” a-la Sheryl Sandberg and Beyoncé.”
Oh good. More anecdotal shit.

“Where are the articles about new tech companies that are redefining how maternity leave should be approached?”

You mean like this article? The one from the exact same FUCKING website you just finished writing for. Or this one, or this one. All of which were among the first four results on a google search.
Fucking Feminists.
“Encouraging women to “lean in,” “power through,” or prove that we can “do it all” is not the answer. Yes, this mentality may enable some women, typically privileged white women, to reach high-level corporate positions.”
By “privileged white women” you do realize that means you and your friends right?
“However, the small percentage of women who are able to do this are not challenging the gender binary. They are adhering to a male-dominated patriarchy. They are continuing to play within the rules created and perpetuated by men, and it just so happens they are able, for a host of reasons, to keep up.”
I-I-I………
Need another time out?
N-no. I’ll manage this.
If you are of the opinion that women are equal to men. Equally capable, equally strong, equally intelligent, etc. Then it should be no problem to play by the same rules that men play by. What you are saying here then, in effect, is that women by and large can’t play by those same rules. That they require special rules in order to accomplish the same things as men. You are saying that women are inferior to men. At least in this regards. What you have not said yet is why anyone should care. If women cannot do the same job, which you claim that they can’t, then why should we exert all of the effort and resources of altering the very nature of the job to accommodate women. There seems to be very little reason to do this.
It seems instead that since you personally feel that you cannot compete, you want to cut the legs out from all of the other runners. Meanwhile those women who can compete fairly, you want to admonish them for not making it easier for you personally. For not “challenging the gender binary”. Again, the level of self-entitlement is astounding.
“Challenging the gender binary”. Fuck you. Listen bitch, you’re sitting around with a gaggle of friends whining about men and how they’re oppressing you and keeping you down while simultaneously demanding they bend over backwards to accommodate your every want and need, adjusting society to suit you. Exactly which fucking “gender binary” are you “challenging”? You couldn’t be more stereotypically female.
“I have many impressive, competitive, and brilliant female peers in law school. When we graduate this spring, the majority of them are beginning their careers at top law firms across the country.”
Ah yes, the “privileged white women” that you were slamming before. Now you’re extolling their virtues. It’s almost as though you’re inconsistent in your thinking.
“It is rare for us to discuss realities like what we will do once we have three children and are trying to deal with billable hours.”
Yes, I’m sure it’s rare for you to discuss reality. Like the fact that you can’t do two things at once. It’s a good question, what will you do when you have three children and you need to pull in a lot of hours of work. I notice you never answer that question. You just expect society to answer it for you.
“If we are the generation obsessed with start-ups, being entrepreneurs, and creating our own paths, why is it that we have yet to even attempt to redefine the system when it comes to gender equality?”
Oooh,oooh,ooooh, I know why!I know why! Can I answer her?Please!!!!
Nevermind, I’ll handle it.
Aaaaaahhhhh.
The reason, Miss Reed, is that all of those women who are obsessed with start-ups and being entrepreneurs and the like are too busy doing the things that they want to do to complain about the system. Those women go out and work at the job. They do not ask to have everything handed to them on a plate. Nor do they demand that everything change to suit them. They do not need or want to redefine the system because they work with the system, they use it just like the men do and they play the same game.

“Regardless of how brilliant, brave, and resilient we may be, women cannot be expected to achieve what men do when given less opportunity.”

LESS OPPORTUNITY?????YOU JUST FINISHED FUCKING SAYING THAT YOU AND ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS ARE HEADING OFF TO TOP LAW FIRMS.YOU WENT TO ONE OF THE MOST EXCLUSIVE SCHOOLS IN AMERICA.HOW MUCH MORE OPPORTUNITY DO YOU NEED!!!!
“The fact that our generation is invited, even encouraged, to enter into the male-dominated arena does not mean the rules of the game have become fair.”
Who said anything about fair? When were you promised that? Do you actually think that all of those men in that arena have a “fair” time of it?
“The few women who are able to thrive and maintain long-term careers, while impressive, are not examples of how our society has reached equality. The success of these women is not attributable to changes in our system, but to their own super-human qualities.”
So the women who do succeed aren’t a demonstration of how men and women are equal. It is in fact a sign of how society is unequal. Hard to argue with logic like that. When women can’t succeed, society is sexist. When women can succeed, society is sexist. Ugh, I can’t take this anymore. I’m out.
Have a good day,kids.
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Ok, we admit it. We Fucked Up.

Those who were here before have likely noticed there’s some things missing from the site. What started as an attempt to upload a simple image to an article we were composing ended with the whole site crashing and becoming unusable.

It also ended with a very poignant lesson on why we should back up our data…….pity we only just learned that. But I blame the other me for it.

Thank you. Regardless it seems that we have to start over again. Over the rest of the day we will be fixing and restoring what we can to the new version of the site, but it will not be much I am afraid. Those who had registered will have to sign up again as all of that is gone as well, unfortunately. Those coming in new after this, we apologize that things are a little more bare right now but feel free to register and comment/discuss on what’s available and we’ll do what we can to restore/add more content.

Again, our apologies.

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Daniel Norris, Are All Priests and Clergy In The Closet With You?

The Clergy Project was launched roundabouts March 2011. For those who don’t know anything about it, the Clergy Project aims to help clergy members who have lost their faith leave their religion. It started when people like Daniel Dennett and Linda Schola began to notice that there were a lot of clergy who had lost their faith that were trapped within their religion. Many clergymen go into the church straight from high school and even before high school are often trained (let’s call it what it is, they’re brainwashed and indoctrinated) outside of the classroom to take their place as priests of the faith. When a priest no longer believes however, they can become trapped within the occupation because they quite simply know nothing else. Their entire life has been devoted to the church as well as their education, so how can they make a living with only the job skills of a priest?

Used car saleman? Telemarketer? Confidence man?

  …..As usual I am astounded at the level of tact and sensitivity you display to others.

    To return to the point at hand. The Project provides a space for these men and women who are no longer able to hold onto their religious beliefs, but for social and economic reasons are trapped within their jobs. If you can spare the extra bit of coin you can follow the link up above that we’ve provided to donate to the Project, which is sponsored by the Richard Dawkins Foundation.

    The reason that I bring this up is in response to this article recently written by Daniel K. Norris. A man whom you may recognize as being a student of the Steve Hill Ministries.

    Steve Hill being a man who once wrote an article last year  lambasting other priests and religious leaders for having “Man of God Syndrome”. Wherein they give themselves over to self-adoration and self-promotion and become so enamoured with their perceived value that they spend their lives making sure everyone knows their reputation. Which is certainly a valid point. As well as being a rather admirable thing to take a stand for among his fellow theists.

    And you can discover more of the things that he stands for by going to his ministries website and reading one of the over a dozen books that he sells. Or buying one of the over fifty DVD videos and audio books he produces. There’s also the personal business cards that you can buy. His Youtube channel, Twitter feed, three other websites, and online tv news channel. Not to mention his appearance four years ago in the Law and Order:Criminal Intent PC game. All of which are very prominently displayed, lauded, and advertised on the homepage.

    Ok,ok, can we get back to the main point, please?

    Also you can read about his deliverance from a life of drugs, how passionate and dedicated he is to helping people, as well as how he draws in four million people from over one hundred and fifty countries just to hear him speak. How hundreds of thousands have wept at the altars, repented of their sinful lives, and gave themselves to Jesus after hearing his words. Lives have been changed, marriages saved, and addictions have lost their hold over men at hearing the clarity with which he conveys the message of Jesus. Read about how he holds entire stadiums and arenas in…..

    I said, OK! Can we get back to the main point, please?

    Sure. Why didn’t you just ask that in the first place?

    Asshole.

   Now the majority of the article you can read for yourself if you wish, but the part that interested us was what he says in the second part when he starts talking about the recent coming out of an atheist pastor named Justin Vollmar. When talking about Mr.Vollmar he has this to say:

    “Thankfully Justin’s story isn’t over. I trust and pray that one day he will have a true life-changing encounter with Jesus. It appears he has never had that experience.

    The Clergy Project exposes a great need in the body of Christ. A quick read of Justin’s story reveals that he never had a strong spiritual father in his life to help mentor him and prepare him for the work of the ministry. He was hurt and offended by leaders he felt used him but didn’t equip him. Justin found himself more and more isolated over the years. This fatherless son became easy prey.”

    Mr.Norris is very quick to write off the entirety of Mr.Vollmar’s experience and testimony about what he experienced as a Christian and as a pastor, and in a way that is very insulting and patronizing as well. All of the reasons that he gives for losing his faith in the church is thrown away in favour of the assumption that it must simply be because out of all of the things that happened to Mr.Vollmar throughout his life, he never had a true encounter with Jesus. Essentially that he was never truly a Christian in the first place because if he had been then he would have had a true experience. Whatever that is actually supposed to mean.

    Yeah isn’t there supposed to be something in their religion about not judging others? I’m pretty sure there’s something about not judging others. I think it’s in that book they wave around when they yell at gay people.

    “I have been fortunate to have great spiritual fathers in my life. I have experienced firsthand the incredible benefits and necessity of such a mentor. My heart breaks for those who have not found or been willing to embrace the fathers in their life. It is the lack of godly fathers that is destroying our families, both natural and spiritual.”

    Again we see that it is not anything to do with evidence, or the religion being corrupt, or inner-reflection, conscience, etc. It can clearly be none of those. It’s only  a matter of not having the proper experiences or the proper teachers. If you had the proper teachers and the proper experiences, like Mr.Norris, then you would certainly agree with and think like him. I truly advise you to read up on Mr.Vollmar’s story and see for yourselves just what exactly Mr.Norris is trivializing here. I really do often find myself wondering whether people like this are aware of the astounding arrogance they display with type of action.

    Well he is a student of Steve Hill. Clearly he’s learned his lessons about humility well.

    Since Norris brought it up, let’s take a quick look at the lessons he says that he learned from his “strong spiritual fathers”.

    “1. I’ve been taught to Keep a closed mind.

    I have personally tasted and seen that the Lord is good. I have encountered His presence and can now testify of that which I have seen with my eyes and heard with my ears. I have no doubt. My faith is set. My mind is made up.

    Steve Hill has reminded me several times that Jesus was the most closed-minded individual to ever walk the earth. It’s true. There was no persuading Jesus and no debating with Him. His mind was firmly set upon the truth, and He was unwavering.

    This resolute determination changed the world. He encouraged the same in His disciples.”

    Well at least he admits this up front. The sad thing about it is that this isn’t a Poe.

    “2. I’ve been taught that this is a call, not a career.

    I can take you to the square footage of carpet that I first heard His call. It was real, it was powerful, and it was life-changing. This call is not something that I chose; it chose me. He called; I surrendered. Every minister must have this moment.

    I’ve been challenged by my spiritual fathers that if you can imagine yourself doing anything else other than the ministry, chances are you are not called to it. Harsh? Not at all.

    It has to become part of your being as much as anything else. For me, I could no more abandon this call than I could abandon the air I breathe. It is not something I do; it is very much who I am.

    Dawkins may find success in getting someone to switch careers, but good luck trying to get someone to switch their call. You can choose a career, but a call chooses you.”

    Once you’re in, you’re in for life. Sounds like the mob. Seriously, it’s a pretty convenient position to take. If you ever decide that you no longer want the job or that you don’t believe, it’s because you never actually believed in the first place. It’s the unbeatable argument, but for the wrong reasons. Not because the argument is good, but because it’s so batshit insane and convoluted you’d need five sherpa guides and Rand McNally himself to navigate it.

    “3. I’ve been taught to stay in the closet.

    This is paramount! The world may be moved by those who come out of the closet, but the kingdom is moved by those who go into the closet.

    Someone who has not found the strength of a personal prayer closet will flounder in the world, persuaded by every wind of “truth” that comes blowing in their direction.

    I am thankful for spiritual fathers who modeled a godly prayer life before me and taught me to seek the face of God until I could hear His still small voice.

    This was the obvious secret to Jesus’ powerful earthly ministry. He constantly tucked Himself away to spend time in prayer so that He could hear the Father’s voice. You and I are no different. No man is greater than His own prayer life! We have to fight for and maintain that secret place.”

    No!You are not going there!You just leave it alone, you hear me?!

    I feel a great disturbance in the force. As though a billion gay jokes cried out at once and were silenced.

    So let’s review the lessons that he learned from his teachers in pastor school. Never be curious or question. If you don’t believe completely and forever you never really believed. Close yourself off to any outside information and focus on prayers.

    Yeah, there’s nothing remotely cultish about that. I can’t honestly imagine why some people would feel constricted and strangled in that environment.

    Mr.Norris claims that the Clergy Project is preying on the weak and weary members of the priesthood, but who is preying on the weak here exactly? The group who picks people up and teaches them to only think in the way approved by the group. Only act in the way as approved by the group. And to never open themselves up to outside information that is not of the group. Or the ones who are inviting those who do no longer wish to be part of the group to a place where they can be that in safety. Mr.Vollmar speaks of being shunned by his community simply because he resigned his position at the church he was first at when he felt he was being abused the senior priest. Not that he left the faith or stopped being a pastor. He simply resigned his position from that particular church. His church and his faith kicked him when he was down and needed them the most because he wasn’t doing what he was told. Mr. Norris however, portrays the Clergy Project as the ones taking advantage of him?

    Perhaps, Mr.Norris, the reason the Clergy Project is managing to convince so many and bring so many out from hiding is because there are more than you think who have not been fooled by the same brainwashing that worked on you, but are kept in line out of the fear that they’ll be (pardon the expression) crucified by the church and their peers. Maybe they did have the ‘true’ experience you spoke of and they came to understand what the real truth of their faith was.

    After all, let’s be honest, you can’t expect the CGI guys to believe the dragon is real.

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